tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6535989755016236732.post7072218020361072858..comments2023-10-11T06:31:00.931-07:00Comments on Punisher Central: PC POST #16: "Pro's, Con's and the History of the Punisher in film"Punishercentralhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15162649247539845101noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6535989755016236732.post-68252326958418982062015-06-18T16:53:17.361-07:002015-06-18T16:53:17.361-07:00The 1989, 2004 and War Zone were all awful films.
...The 1989, 2004 and War Zone were all awful films.<br /><br />WZ was trying to be more like the Max Punisher, but when Garth Ennis wrote the Punisher under the MAX line, the story and plot actually had intelligence to it. It didn't have mindless unrealistic over the top action (like hanging upside down and his shooting his weapons), the characters were interesting, the villains were realistic, the lines and dialog were actually good. But WZ had none of that, it puts no effort into anything or making the viewer care about Frank or anyone.<br /><br />His white skull symbol was so faded that you couldn't even see it, but the thing is, the bad guys are suppose to see it, it's the first thing they aim for, it puts the fear of the Punisher in them. Director Lexi Alexander actually wanted to get rid of it, but what they did instead was have it where it's a worn skull image. But the skull was so faded and barely visible that it went almost entirely unnoticed by some who saw the movie.<br /><br />Stevenson did not perfect the portrait of Frank at all... Ray simple couldn’t act. He’s atrocious as the lead, Alexander barely gives him any lines, but he flubs every single one of them.<br /><br />Only Dirty Laundry has been the only good Punisher film.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6535989755016236732.post-75420573753424159062012-02-17T04:03:25.482-08:002012-02-17T04:03:25.482-08:00For me the best movie was The Punisher from Tom Ja...For me the best movie was The Punisher from Tom Jane, definetely was the best story based on "Welcome back, Frank" by Garth Ennis. The acting was good, but as a character i liked more of Stevenson for me was the perfect portrait of Frank. <br />The Punisher - War-Zone was based more on Max but for me was an ok movie.<br /><br />The Punisher from Dolph well it was fun for me, but nothing more that is not Frank Castle or the Punisher movie. Just some movie from the late 80's beggining of 90's.Ivo Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10818266258261173013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6535989755016236732.post-40770806636696196702012-02-16T10:11:57.332-08:002012-02-16T10:11:57.332-08:00Really good article here partner! Thanks so much f...Really good article here partner! Thanks so much for the contribution!Punishercentralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162649247539845101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6535989755016236732.post-17819358253319002672012-02-16T07:33:53.940-08:002012-02-16T07:33:53.940-08:00The only Punisher movies I've seen are the Tom...The only Punisher movies I've seen are the Tom Jane one and War Zone. I fell asleep watching War Zone so I can't really comment on it, but the Tom Jane one is split right down the middle for me.<br /><br />On one hand, its a well made movie. It has a good story, good acting and it looks good. On the other hand, its not the Punisher. What makes the Punisher the Punisher is that hes about more than immediate revenge but his entire goal within the movie is exactly that. Its only at the very end that he declares himself to be the Punisher. This is the same as if Batman Begins was all about Bruce working up the nerve to kill Joe Chill and ended with him refusing and instead swearing to become a vigilante. So while the 2004 movie has a good story in its own right its not actually The Punisher.<br /><br />Another problem I have is the lack of character development regarding Frank's character. There is some, but only in little nuggets sprinkled throughout the movie. In the time between the killing of his family and his final assault on Saint hes mostly stuck in typical stoic Punisher mode. What makes this work in the comics is we get Frank's internal monologue so that even though hes not saying much we're still privy to his thoughts. The movie doesn't have internal monologue, save for a few bits near the end. What this means is the contrast between Happy Dad and Vengeful Asskicker is really jarring. Hes Happy Dad in one scene, and then hes Vengeful Asskicker in the next. Without the internal monologue to keep us invested in his mission the character just becomes boring. We don't get insight into his preparations (including where he got all of his weapons, which ties into the horrible underdevelopment of his military background), we don't get an insight into his emotions or thought processes, we don't really know what hes feeling. Instead he is just silent rage.<br /><br />And the inclusion of the Russian was really, really out of place and tacky.<br /><br />But there was good stuff. Tom Jane was just awesome, the score was really great (I didn't even think of what the music would be like until I started the music and it was just perfect), the action is pretty damn good and Frank is portrayed mostly as a very tactical and ruthless killer. I just wish the movie had started a few years down the line, with bits of the origin dropped in for context.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720662862691147337noreply@blogger.com